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As a previous resident of Cloquet, I am saddened that this guestbook is being used as a forum for half-baked ideas and vulgarity. To those who think this guestbook gives them anonymity, don't delude yourselves. 24.48.151.23, 24.48.150.254, 24.48.151.169, are registered IP numbers to Adelphia Cable Communications, 209.240.200.81 and 209.240.20027 are registered IP numbers to WebTV Networks, Inc. If investigated further, you, your names, your addresses, probably even your grade school report cards could be discovered. Every entry to this guestbook is registered with your IP number. Find another forum (p-l-a-c-e) to express your ideas, or better yet, inquire about why your life philosophy allows you to publicly humiliate yourselves and your species. The reason I bother to write this is because I like viewing the Pine Knot web pages, and y'all are hurting my eyes. Tammy Erickson

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What ever happened to Mr. Allcaps?

Whippeee ding dong, we've all been enlightened!!!

I also have to correct my spelling error. "Homogenious" should have been "homogenous", quite possibly a Freudian slip (as it were). -Chef 

Oops I forgot to sign, Chef

As promised here is my second installment of Cloquet observations. First I must make some clarifications as I will be using several achronyms. They are defined as 1. W(white) 2. NW(non-white) 3. NESNW(non-english speaking non-whites). As stated yesterday this installment is my observations at that great American Institution, Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is an institution that has almost become omnipresent in America these days, possibly because of their dominance in "small-town" America. However Wal-Mart is not only in smaller towns these days, but Wal-Mart can be found in several locations in larger cities as well. The interesting thing about Wal-Mart is the layout of the store. Wal-Mart stores are exactly the same everywhere, with the exception of the "Super Wal-Mart". When you walk through the front door of a Wal-mart, you could be walking into just about any Wal-Mart in the country. In fact the layout of the Wal-Mart in Cloquet is exactly the same as the one in my neighborhood. The only difference is the shoppers, and the employees inside. In growing up in Cloquet and my several visits after leaving it was my observation that most of the shoppers in any business were predominantly "white". This only makes sense because of the homogenious makeup of the local population. Sure there are NW in the area, but you rarely saw them out and about in town. To contrast, most of the employees at my local Wal-Mart are NW. Where as *all* of the employees that I saw during my shopping trip to the Cloquet Wal-Mart were W. I was also suprised to see how many of the shoppers in the store were NW. Seems that many of the NW poplulation in the area has advanced financially and come to Wal-Mart to spend thier new found fortune. At my local Wal-Mart it is not suprising to see and equal number of shopperw who are W as well as NW. In fact it is common to see several NW who are NESNW as well. Contrast that to Cloquet where the shoppers both W and NW were universally English speaking. It seems now that the Cloquet Wal-Mart is now the 3rd largest employer in town. 3rd only to #1. Potlatch and #2. USG. What does this say about the local economy. I tells me that with the exception of a few high paying white collar jobs, most people must be working somewhere outside of the city proper, most likely Duluth. Did Wal-Mart contribute to the demise of the downtown businesses? Not directly, but it was the death nell. Before Wal-Mart came to town, there was Pamida, and White Drug. You could find most items that are sold at Wal-Mart at these two stores. Needless to say Pamida, and White Drug (as we used to know it) died as a result of Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart flourished because of predatory pricing and the fact the the Mom and Pop business can't compete. The fact is that people will buy thier products at the establishement that offers the lowest price. Who cares that very little of the profits that are made by Wal-Mart are not funneled back into the community, but instead are sent to Bentonville, Ark, and then distributed to the stockholders. I guess it is a good thing that Wal-Mart has come to the rescue. At least the workers who get pink slips from Potlatch will have someplace to turn to for employment. My next installment will be about the monopoly that Super One has in the food business in Cloquet. That's right folks, there is no more Jubilee Foods.

Hey, Cartman, you've gone to bat for me in the past, so I thought I'd return the favor. Um.......Unabomber? Wow, talk about faulty reasoning. Let's see, Kaczynski (sp?) had a 'manifesto', and liked to blow people up; Flyntstone has a big mouth, which therefore means he, too, is a crazed killer. Yeah, I follow that. Actually, I don't believe that's faulty logic at all. It's known as 'spin', and we see it daily coming from the Clinton administration......A couple of observations, which I know you've all been itching for! What's with this 17-year-old basketball player who was kicked off his high school team for being a boozehound, and is now suing for reinstatement and $100,000 under the Amercians With Disabilites Act? What does this say about our values, and our sense of responsibility? As an expert drunk, I am well aware that type of behavior is an act of the will, not a 'disability'. Wouldn't it be nice if we could sue someone for every rotten thing that happens to us? I guess the real problem is that juries often find for the plaintiffs in these cases, further exacerbating the situation......Chef, what's the deal with Wal-Mart? Lots of white folk working for minimum wage, and more than a couple of Indians spending big bucks? Oooh, I see the makings of a race and class war in Northern M.N.! How exciting! However, in defense of capitalism and the entrepreneurial spirit, I must accept the fact the Indians have a "product" of sorts that many people want. As long as there is demand, the casinos will thrive. Whether they are providing a product of any real value is another topic open to debate. On one hand, adults ought to be able to make their own decisions, and if pissing away their social security checks turns them on, then so be it. On the other hand, it could be argued that gambling is a parasitic "industry", and takes advantage of people at their weakest moments. This is similar to the kid suing the school system. Do we hold him (and the gamblers) responsible for their fate, or do we blame outside influences? There's a topic certainly worthy of discussion. Well, enough rambling for one day. Have a nice weekend. - Larry Flyntstone

Re:09-10-1999, 10:38:34 .......it helps if you GET IT !!!It was meant to look as tho I might apologize for something I`ve said in this board. I think we can safely believe that will never happen.Substantial?...perhaps a bit more than your post.Thanks for the update,Chef.Big Lar,thanks,but you really don`t have to fend for me.We`re talking about Cloquet.You`ve got to jiggle the handle after you flush these folks.Cart.

Re: 09-10-1999, 14:11:16 You are very wise grasshopper.

Back in my day, I think we used to call it playing with paper dolls. When you go off to college there "crew", you will hopefully understand that people skills are just as important as book skills. Learn them. Employees and customers must get along with all sorts of characters. Even characters that post to guest books, which includes me. Oh, the up-north area does have beautiful pine forests, lakes, hills, and even glorious snow which I definitely miss as that is why I ventured to this freakin website in the first place.

A big YAHOO to another fine manifesto!!! Unibomber, ah yes, I think of him as only pure and noble and wise. Are you "tweaked" yet???? (like, the bells might be ringing with truth)

Personally I prefer Summer 365 days a year.

Here is your roving reporter, Chef. I have returned from our beloved town of Cloquet and as promised I will be reporting my findings/observations. The first topic that I would like to address is the stoplight up on North Road and Hwy 33. This was a topic in the open forum a while back. I it is hard to believe that it was actually newsworth, but when you can read the entire PK cover to cover in about 5 minutes I guess they have to grasp at straws. I agree that the light has made life safer for those who must travel these highways and biways (oh my goodness). One thing I did notice though that it did allow me to get on hwy 33 a little faster after having the fine quisine up at Gordy's. I may knock a lot of things about Cloquet, but Gordy's is a Cloquet institution. They had a sign up that says they will be closing on Sept 12. I always remembered the opening of Gordy's as being the official beginning of summer. It was a tradition to kick off the season with the ol' bacon burger, fries, and shake. Gordoon can always be seen takng orders, and Mrs. Gordoon is always in the back flipping burgers (and maybe flipping off Gordoon on occasion). I think that Mrs. Gordoon keeps Mr. Gordoon in the front taking orders because the last time he was on the burger flipping detail, Mrs. Gordoon caught him beating his meat. He tried to explain that he was actually making hamburger patties. The closing of Gordy's was the official marking of the close of summer, and the beginning of fall. I always liked fall in Cloquet, the turning color of the leaves, and crisp air, and the aroma of Potlatch in the backround. The problem was the fall led to winter, where the whole town goes into hibernation. Sure there are some who do winter activities, but a lot of people are forced indoors for months at at time by the bitter arctic air sometimes referred to as "Alberta Clippers". Hell they don't even close school in Cloquet until the temp is below -30..ouch! It is a long 8 months and once again the Cloquetites can pack up the Sorels and look foward to Summer again, and another burger from Gordy's. My next topic will be Walmart and how all the patrons aren't white anymore, but the workers are.

That didn't take long. Substantial--NOT!!!!!!!!!

Ok,I was wrong.I made a mistake.Perhaps I haven`t been thinking clearly.I sometimes make mistakes and I will readily admit it when I`m wrong.I`ll try harder to think things through before I place a post on this board.What am I talking about? "Wafting" is spelled with an "A"......Cartman

C'mon, you guys, why not admit that you enjoy this anonymous cyber-argument? It's kind of like an electronic letter-to-the-editor, only with instant results. I don't have the time or the desire to spend "all day" in the guestbook, nor does it take but a few minutes to check out the posts each morning and add one or two of my own. I understand things move a litle slower up there, and it may take some of you an entire afternoon to come up with a properly constructed sentence, so I understand why you would think I'd be here "all day." And for the love of friggin' Pete, I'm not Cartman! I'm not Chef, either! Seriously, if you really believe that, give a jingle over to Moose Lake and have them prepare a room for you. And that "spoiled little boy with thin skin" line? I'll have you know I work my ass off, and Cartman owns a business, which he busts his butt for every day. Neither of us is spoiled, and neither of us is thin-skinned. I can't speak for Cartman, but I find this whole thing extremely entertaining, and I believe he does, too. Underneath all the B.S., our message is a good one.....and that is, if you want to take big bites of life, experience all the world has to offer, and grow in any number of ways, you must put the small-town behind you. Sure, I make my digs, but my point is pure and noble. Yes, antagonizing is a bit childish.....but there is a message behind it, and a very substantial one, at that. Folks, can't you come up with some truly interesting observations as to what makes people tick? Possibly something more than one sentence? There is an infinite amount of material out there, so give it a go. Really. And please understand that your pissed-offedness is a result of your being tweaked; in other words, someone has said something that rings true, and that makes you uncomfortable. But that's how you grow - by moving through the discomfort. - Larry Flyntstone......P.S. I figured out the SWAT business! It must be the mosquitoes (I forgot about them, as I haven't seen one in 14 years).

OK, time for new blood. The old blood is tainted. Come on now, we'll do just fine without them. Be brave, lets get some local topics going, without the outsiders bashing us.

Spoiled little boy with thin skin. Cartman, Larry or what ever your name is, give it up.

Chef,say the word and we`ll beam you up.Kirk out.

someone needs to go have a long talk with his/herself.

Re: 09-09-1999, 08:47:40 You're right it is really only one person doing all of the posting pretending to be 4 people. I am actually a schitzophrenic with a multiple personality disorder. Fieste, no Chef, no Larry Flyntone, no Cartman.....Shut up...no, you shut up.....no, you shut up.....

Re: 09-09-1999, 08:47:40 It seems that you my friend are spending an awfully lot of time in a two bit guestbook as well. First of all you still think that one person is behind all of these posts. I hate to tell you this but you're wrong. If you think the people who post here are pathetic, let me tell you one thing. The only person *more* pathetic is one who continues to read it and complain.

That's what I say !!!!

Time to put the below trash in the archives, only who would want to actually go back and read this stuff ??!!

Bravo....encore,encore!!! Thank you Sgt. for your insightful insult!!At least you can put a thought together using the english language!!!I am saluting you now!!...Cartman.ps.still not much for the defense budget in Cloquet`s coffers,eh?

Oops - my first error EVER! I meant "real world." - L.F.

Who's doing the hiding? Cartman challenged you fine Cloquet people to post your e-mail addresses, so the rest of us in the real could write to you. I have offered to divulge my identity right here in the guestbook, if the someone I call "Mr. Grown-Up" would do the same. We really don't give a hoot if anyone knows who we are, but apparently you do. I suspect it's just another one of those Cloquet facade deals, where everything is rosy on the outside but pitifully dark on the inside. Remember, we really are from your little town, and we know how the folks there operate. Speaking of which, hey Chef ------ how about a progress report? (That would be in regard to your trip, as we know there has been no progress made otherwise.) - Larry Flyntstone 

For sure. Anyone that would spend all his free time in a 2 bit guestbook pretending to be, what is it now, 4 people is in a world of hurt. It would be humerous if it weren't so sad. 

To the one who hides behind the name Cartman. I sense a character flaw. What you need is old fashion boot camp and a little military experience to get your "cart" back on the right track "man". Don't tell me about your wonderful military service because anyone who talks as shallow as you, has no real world experience or understanding of the important concepts of life. The audience is tired and your routine is getting stale so why not call it done and move on to something worth while. Sgt. Slaughter

Why is it that those who defend our fair hometown never have more than scattered thoughts and insults to the out-of-towners?Do I have to help?How about......"you`ll never see more beautiful blondes per-capita than in Cloquet"?....That statement holds true for me....But why should I spend one minute defending the land of the wofting stench and it`s socially inhibited inhabitants?Being an out-of-towner is much,much,much....more fun !!!....love,Cartman

Larry, That there salsa sounds good! Is it like a red beer or a bloody mary? I also heard about that there Mexico from this black guy I know who has been to a lot of places. I misunderstood him the other day. I asked him"So how was that trip to the Orient that you were talking about?" He quickly screamed at me saying" I ain't never been to no Orient, I said I was in Donesia" 

Farry, Fartman, Clef, and Giesta, are you just plain old mad cuz your lover won't move to your big city, the Golden Gate? 

"Writing Styles??"............Hello......... Don't quite your day job there Austin Powers. Shag me baby !!!

I mean Martian.

Did ya bring your lap top with just to keep us all posted? I've come to the conclusion there are 2 flys. SWAT.....SWAT Yep, that's all the smarter I get. Oh ya, cry me a freaken river about your "Aunt." Just cuz the gun is loaded doesn't mean ya had to shoot. I like both the city and the country. I want both worlds, call me a "martin." If I spent all my time pointing out what or who caused all the mold in society, I would not be able to enjoy the moment. CHOICES. I got today by a series of choices I made throughout my whole life. Good, bad, ugly, left, right, up, down; Do the hokie - pokie, and turn yourself about. 

Larry, You are killing me! Chips and salsa sound great! Fiesta 

My compliments to The Chef! So, it's a little on the nippy side, is it? How about snow? Any of that in the picture? Yeah, I guess we outsiders are getting a few childish kicks out of yanking a couple of chains, but what the heck - it's just way too much fun to stop now! Geez, if any of our fan club actually believed there was more than one of us, they would realize you are in their midst, and maybe you could arrange for an autograph session (or a hanging)! So, have you checked out the Taco Bell? We are talking suburbia, baby! And what about Wal-Mart? I know it's been around awhile, but (snicker) they think it's big! Geez, I have something else for 'em, if that's the case! Oh, well, what can you do?.......Hey, I have a great idea for a new city slogan that could be used to help attract bright, new talent to the area: "Cloquet - Where You Can Go From Auto Dealer To Wal-Mart Greeter And They'll Love You Just The Same." I can see them pouring out of Stanford right now!......Hey, have a nice visit. And say 'hi" to "The Boss" for me, if you happen to see him (try the Third Base Bar). - Larry Flyntstone

funny funny funny! What a pissing match we have here!

You are right on. No WORKING ADULT would be so stupid. 

Where is down here? You all have plenty TRASH of your own. We were lucky to get rid of some of our's.. THE jokes on you.. 

There are few here that need some attention, that's all. They're having their 15 minutes of fame because no one else in their life will listen. If they need to knock this town, don't get too worked up, children will be children.

What a BULLY. You are so full of it.. We love our town. As someone said "People here know about it when you are born, and care about it when you die."

Today is day three, in the great town of Cloquet. Cartman, as far as bottling the smell and sending it down there, I am not sure that you would want that. It might be like letting a genie out that you may regret. Some things are better left where they are. If you want to give your friends a taste (as it were) on what Cloquet is like, take them down to your local supermarket, ask the guy in the meat department if you can use their walk in cooler for a few minutes. You will need a group of people who like to drink beer. Get them some cheap beer like Grain Belt, Pfieffers, Hams, or Old Milwakee. Lock you friend in the cooler with the beer drinkers, when the beer makes it through their systems and the gas starts to rumble, your friend will get a good example of what he is missing out on. Just don't let your friend play with any matches. -- Chef

Chef,could you bottle some of that stench for me?My buds down here don`t believe me.Cart.

Re:09-08-1999, 07:35:55 .....If you`re so convinced that all of these posts are made by the same person,I`ve got a little challenge for you.Post your e-mail address and I asssure you that myself and several others will respond.At that time,you could "ping" our adresses and see what part of the country we are in.Cloquet is not exactly the town we left,and maybe we`d still like to have a home town while you people are running it into the ground.Cartman

Oops, I forgot. Chef, you're in Cloquet right now, correct? Was that your report on the strip joint? What else is going on? How's that new traffic light? Have a good time. Your buddy, Big Lar'.

Hello, Fiesta (whoever you are)----Thanks for the words of encouragement. You must be new to the scene. Isn't it a kick? I really get a charge out of the character who thinks one person is making this much of an effort to get their jollies. Rich Little, on his best day (if he ever had one), couldn't imitate all the different writing styles in use here. I also find it amusing that the Cloquet mentality sees everyone who is from somewhere else as being a big-shot. As I recall, that's how it was in my heyday there, too. Some bozo would come to town from Arizona to play in the Cloquet Invitational, and even though he pumped gas for a living, everyone thought he was Mr. City Slicker. The whole thing is just so hilarious, if not pathetic. Anyway, gotta run. I have a million and one things pending, and time is a hot commodity these days. Welcome aboard, Fiesta, and maybe we'll get together for a little Hot Salsa one of these days, if you know what I mean! - Larry Flyntstone.........P.S. FYI, "salsa" is a spicy, tomato-based puree, usually served with tortilla chips and other Mexican foods (Mexico is a country located directly to the south of the United States).

When I was young, then older, then older, then older still we used to refer to people living on the Iron Range as Rangers - a whole different breed of people. Well, now that I am older still, and having left Cloquet a few years ago, I've found that people living in Cloquet are a whole different breed of people - just can't think of what to call them. 

Does anyone out there have a Sony Mavica 73 or 83 camera? How do you like it, and what are the downfalls? Does the 73 have enough resolutions to print out a good picture? I like the fact you take pictures on a floppy and don't have to connect any thing to the computer..

The one man circus continues.

Are you still here. If you left town, why are you spending so much time back here? Changing the names on the posts has no one fooled, fool.

Nice try, but still very transparent.

I have been reading your postings for several weeks now and I have found them very amusing. I thoughtthat some of the postings cutting down Cloquet's downtown were probably not accurate but I found out otherwise. I just visited family in Cloquet this past weekend ( I live in southern minnesota) and I was shocked. Downtown has gone to hell. I always went downtown as a kid to places like the bowling alley, Bridgeman's with Minogue the rogue, and the Johnson company, etc. Downtown used to be "alive" It is dead now. It is really a shame. I hate to admit that the guy who calls himself Larry Flyntstone is right on he money. One of my relatives just recently got bit by the gambling bug and has lost a great deal of money at the casino. I asked her why she got so involved in that stuff and she summed it upby saying that she was bored and there is nothing to do in Cloquet. We have casinos in southern minnesota too, but the people seem more controlled and able to handle it.Little porblems in a little town become big problems because everyone knows your business. Probably any of you reading this know about my aunt's problems and that she lost the house. Well now she is ashamed to show her face in town. That is not healthy and she is headed for the loony bin. This would not happen in a big town. I hope those of you reading this and still lie in Cloquet would please stop being so judgmental and accept people for who they are..Black,White, Rich,Poor, Gamblers,Drinkers,Gays, Indians, Too Fat, Too skinny, etc. The three days I was in Cloquet I heard everything there was to hear about all the neighbors, who is sleeping with whom, "that...... boy is a faggot", " mr. .... just filed bankruptcy but we think he is hiding his money form his wife" and the list goes on. PLEASE, STOP IT! and be good to each other. You might find out that the person you hated all these years because your family hated them all these years is really a pretty good person and only treated you poorly because you treated them poorly. 

Microsoft, I talked with one of the gals at the strip joint in Scanlon and she explained how you got your nickname...sorry to hear about your shortcomings,, no wonder you have a chip on your shoulder.

I wasn`t going to do this ,but here goes.I don`t know anything about gangs in Cloquet.I DO know about a gang in Chattanooga Tn..A gang of city planners and developers turned a run down depressed rat`s nest into one of the finest little towns I`ve seen.They`ve got an aquarium,an I-max theatre,a real theatre,a refurbished waterfront,A real nice retail row,and most importantly,JOBS!!!.......Cartman....ps. Ya right,lucky you.

Chef....is that you?

Well this is my second day in the megatropolis, I drove by the strip joint in Scanlon and saw about 5 cars parked in the lot. How in the heck do they stay in business?

What gangs?

O.K. Big Shots.. You may as tell us about the gangs too. You told us about everything else, and you don't even live here??? YEAH RIGHT.. LUCKY US..

Attn:Larry.....What`s up with this?....and what`s up with this "microsoft 947" jive?...anytime,Fiesta.

I take my $$$ to another city cuz I can not stand the customer service I get at my local merchants. (not Cloquet) Customer service and attitude is such a large part of commerce today.

Larry and Cartman, I am with you two! I laugh ever so hard at the people of Cloquet who think they live in a utopia. Low crime, no traffic, less stress. Low crime; it is probably very high because the entire Cloquet Police Department is in Superior getting in trouble or in a Cloquet tavern. Who is protecting your streets? What about your gang problems? Stress who wants the stress of waiting for their next pay check so they can go sit at their favorite bar. I am so glad I saw the light to leave that town. Larry could have not said it better to the young people in school; when its time to go to college, get out of town! Larry and Cartman, we could have a lot of fun "visiting" Cloquet. Fiesta!

Are you still here?

While I was growing up,Mom always said never to open this certain door in our house.She swore that terrible things were behind that door.One day the curiousity over-whelmed me and I opened that door.You won`t believe what I saw.I saw trees and cars and people and the sun shining and birds singing and houses........Cartman

But you haven't moved away. For some reason you are still here. Think long and hard about that one. 

Just a couple more reasons why I moved away!

Just ignore the pest......it will eventually go away without food to fuel it.

And the one man carnaval goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Are you ever going to give it a rest? We know you are having trouble, but please get some fricken help, won't you. Don't go into the crap about how a group of intellectuals has master minded this clever plot because I know this crap is coming from one location in this area....Microsoft 947

Cartman, you're a hoot. The hayseeds just don't understand, but they know, somehow, somewhere, that we're right. Your "center of nowhere" line is so true - gadzooks, I was there in July, and I had to make three lefts AFTER I fell off the end of the Earth just to get to Highway 33! -----Your Pal on the West Coast, Larry.

Re:09-06-1999, 23:24:54 ....I seriously doubt you know who I am,let alone babysat me.As for the previous comments,Why am I yet to hear anyone dispute what I`ve said.Prove me wrong.We`re back to the petty name calling and sarcasm,but nobody tells me that unemployment is down by a certain percentage,or that construction loans are up.One observation I`ve made is that Cloquet`s main street has more tumbleweed than the entire southwest.Oh,and Mr.HeeHaw,at least the chip on my shoulder has a future.I guess you`ll be to busy shoveling the snow off of yours.respectfully yours,Cartman.

The Cartman is a lunatic. I used to babysit that little dink and he is not the tough person he thinks he is. The reason he is so disruptive,is at an early age, his mother tried to flush him down the toilet at Curley's Bar. Pull out of it Fartman- sorry Cartman- life is too short to have such a chip on such weak shoulders...YEE!! HAA!

Mr.Cartman, you have brought the city of Cloquet to it's knees. Show us your power and wisdom and fruits of thy labor. To go any farther, we must know why your rage has been directed this way? ..................The MONSTER

The largest city in the south east US.do the math.Cartman.

Maybe it isn't so great, so like the one below said, where is your paradise??

No substance?dispute something.anything....C.

So where is your shangri-la?

DITTO !!! Hidden anger with no substance.

This must be road rage on the information hiway.

C`mon folks.Business will stimulate the economy as soon as there is the incentive to do so.In the mean time,you`re simply stuffing hay up a dead horses ass.What on earth could possibly make me want to move my business to your over-taxed frozen wasteland?A housing project?I`m sure I`d need it real soon....Transportation....Cloquet is in the center of nowhere.Utilities?...high.Climate?....sucks.Cloquet`s hay days are long gone,and the only way you`re going to find an active downtown is to look for another one....Cartman

Larry, it was more the "era" than the small town. Everyone, everywhere was more suppressed back then. A persons' downfall is within, not external.

I am tired of having basically 2 stores in town. There are always lots of people complaining about this, so name some good solutions. What do we really need here, and what do we want here? I come from the era when the downtown was filled with stores and it was fun to walk around and shop. It saddens me also that there isn't much there anymore, but what would work? I don't shop in Duluth too often, more for variety than necessity. If we had some more options I'm sure more people would stay here. So name some good ideas.

Supply and demand has nothing to do with it. It's competition that will keep the prices down. I think you are thinking of something else. Supply and demand usually will elevate prices.

Supply and demand? Just check out any bar.

You know, your right. Go ahead and let all your business slide. What I'm saying is that people in Cloquet will drive to Duluth to get this "Bargin" and the small business owner in Cloquet will eventually go out of business. So go ahead,maybe you can make a drag strip out of Cloquet Avenue to generate some revenue for the town and its tax base. I could care less as I don't have to live there. And for your information I do understand supply and demand. Just remember who supported the local economy when nothing is left. I see the hardware store on Cloquet Ave. has gone out of business. One good thing about shopping in Cloquet is you never have to look for a parking space.Very Sad.

Some of you seem to think I am trying to bully my way around the guestbook, pompously parading my allegedly inflated ego for all the world to see. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I write in such a manner that I'm perceived that way, I apologize. It is not my intent. I grew up in Cloquet, and had some major issues with my own sexuality in my adolescent years. Due to many factors, some internal and some external, I became a heavy drinker in my late teens. I threw away every chance I had to make a better life, all in the name of booze. This monkey stayed on my back until I reached my early thirties. While I am not irresponsible (or stupid) enough to blame my own behavior on a town, there is no doubt the Cloquet environs made a contribution to my downfall. Here I was, dealing with homoerotic attraction at age 12 or 13, thinking I was the only person in the world with those feelings. The only messages I ever got from my school, my church, my parents, and my fellow citizens, was that I was in some way "sick" or "evil". It took a long time to work through all the emotional baloney that accompanies the territory, and exorcise the spectre of alcoholism and other psychological demons from my life. I now see others having an identical experience, and I find that tragic, because it is all such trumped-up malarkey and so easily avoidable. We must face who we are, and the small-town atmosphere does not bode well for that. I have some fine, decent, intelligent friends in Cloquet who are so caught up in this maelstrom that they may never find their way out. I want the best for them, and for others who might be facing similar circumstances. I realize it begins with individual responsibility (i.e., "getting over it"), but there is no doubt the small-town environment isn't exactly helping them do that. Before I am accused of trying to save the world, I again humbly apologize for any perceived pomposity. I am merely trying to shed some light on a potentially damaging situation, and perhaps let some young (or old) person who is struggling with these issues know there is a better life elsewhere. - Larry Flyntstone

Bottom line: People will do their shopping where it is the cheapest. 

RE..09/05/99..20:15:11..Your understanding of capitalism is flawed to say the least. In a free society, people can choose where they will get the best bargain. This concept sets up competition which in turn keeps prices low. The market dictates which business will survive and which business won't. The stores you mentioned could not compete so they had to close. One store in particular had jeans on sale, but 2 blocks away, L&M had the same jeans for half the price. You tell me, where would you buy that pair of jeans? Supporting local business is great, but they too must enter the real world. 

Sober up slob!!

who are you to say . What do you think you own this board. Besides how do you know who you are addressing,son.

Some people have worn out their welcome. You may leave at any time. 

Any one know what ever became of Dennis "Bird" Peterson? He was a Scanlon boy with a mouth and a nose that just wouldn't quit. I think he graduated in 74.Thanks 

Dear Chef,if you start having strange desires to be unemployed and freezing your butt off,or if you find that you have no more ambition,PLEASE find I-35 and don`t look back.You may contact us here.We`ll throw you a line.Cartman

Well Larry,you`ve done it again.You`ve angered the fine people again.I`ve got the counter-point for your discussion.You,are a meanie smelly stinky snotty rotten butt.There.I guess I told you.I`m sure everyone will agree with this as a rebuttal.Cartman....ps..Lar,do you think they`ll get the true meaning of this post?

Hello Cloquet, I am coming to Pleasantville tomorrow for a few days. For all you out of towners out there, I will be back Friday to report my observations. The Chef

re: 09-05-1999, 20:15:11 I agree with you 100%. Bravo on a fine post.

Sorry about the "pond" shop thing it was late. You know Larry is right about what he sees in Cloquet. Until you move away from Cloquet and then come back you will never understand what he is trying to get across. I also think that if it was a "white " casino that it would drag Cloquet even further into the gutter as those who won't go there because the indians run it would be there. I do know at one time there were 3"PAWN" shops in Cloquet. I do not know how many there is now as I haven't been back in a while. I was impressed with the renovation of Cloquet Ave. though. To bad you can't get some any businesses to locate along it. I think your City Council needs some fresh thinkers to try to come up with something to make business and tourists want to come to Cloquet. Also the people in Cloquet must have a sense of pride and stop running to Duluth for a quart of milk and start putting their money back into the community. The only thing being supported locally are the bars. What happened to Johnson Co,Carters,the Dime Store,is there no sense of Community any more? Shame on you Cloquet!! h

Hi, I am a 1976 Graduate from Cloquet H.S. and still have family and friends that still live in Cloquet. So, this is really nice to keep in touch and to keep up with what's happening in my hometown. Bonnie Hanson

I think that Larry Flyntstone is the Messiah! - - Dick N. Peter

re: 09-05-1999, 15:47:27 Only in the "all White" town of Cloquet can you get away with crap like that.

Well that cleared everything up.Sheesh!

"Yo slap yo'self a good long peep at my boy Larry Flyntstone. Check his action fool-he gots a fly crutch, a diff'rent zoot suit fo' every piece o' seven an' a rep dat come through de slammer trey hours befo' he slide in. Larry's secret be dat he cop an' blow, keepin' de green flow. You best pick up some shit from him if'n you wanna be a big pimp daddy when you grow down. Larry, my jiv-o-nator, you best git yo'self a Jimmy cap cuz you 'bout to get it on wit da ladiees......BIG POPPA...See'ya on da flip 'bro.

In the open forum, you can see it, but I bet you won't believe it.

1.Who made you our messenger? 2. Quit catagorizing ALL of us. 3.Can't disagree with you cuz you think you're right about everything. 4.I have a wonderful LIFE 5. Your basket-case friends back here need help, whether or not they live in a small town or a large one. 6. They chose their refuge, it has nothing to do with where they live. 7. Small town advantages: less crime, less traffic, less stress, less fear, togetherness(those are MY friends), less excess. Now please accept this rebuttal you wanted and quit knocking everything and everyone that doesn't agree with you. You can't have a decent conversation with you because you want to be right. 

To Larry Flyntstone - "go gettum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So that's where those puddles are coming from. Here I was blaming it on the dog. 

RE:..09/05/1999...10:15:12...I can't help it if I dribble. My prostate surgery causes that, anyway, the Depends catches most of it... I. P. Daily

re: 09-04-1999, 23:33:36 I agree with you on the downhill slide of Cloquet's downtown. As far as the drinking goes, it is a symptom of a very depressed area. With fewer and fewer high paying factory jobs, those who have depended on the mills to sustain them are experiencing their own personal financial trageties. Cloquet has revolved around the mills, and has been and still is a very "blue collar" town. In the very limited environmnet that Cloquet has to offer, many have fallen into the routine of going to work, hitting the bar, and going home. Now that many don't have work to go to, they just hit the bars earlier. As far as the pawn shops go, I believe there is only one in town. Again pawn shops are businesses the thrive on personal dispair. Until the economically depressed conditions came to Cloquet, there was no pawn shop. The casino seems to be a very touchy subject with a lot of people. As I said before I think that a lot of the resentment is a result of racism toward the Indians. If the casino were run by white people, I don't think there would be as much negative emotion about it. I'll bet that a lot of the people who rail agains the Indian casino play the lottery, or have engaged in gambling in another venue. It is the fact that the casino is owned and operated by Indians, that gets people all riled up. Not to mention the fact that unlike other businesses, they don't pay taxes. For a lot of people, it is racism and not the morality behind the gambling that makes a lot of people slam the casino. I know that I am going to be flamed for these comments, so have at it. in fact 09-05-1999, 10:15:12 will probably call me a p***k. I don't care, because what I am saying to the best of my knowlege is true. I live in a large city and there is a lot of tension between the Blacks and the Whites. Sure some get along on a personal level, but there is largely an underlying tension. I felt the same thing in Cloquet the last time I was there, and was quite shocked because I never noticed it before. I the frequency in which I heard conversaions taking place that slammed the Indians was quite suprising, an in public places no less. Many in Cloquet feel safe in expousing these thoughts because they are largely in a "safe" environment surrounded by many of their "own kind". The same behavior in other parts of the country might get your a** kicked.

Well, I touched a nerve! Beautiful. You have proved my point. If people aren't somehow or another tweaked, then I haven't done my job. I WANT to stir the pot, to get some ideas, responses and LIFE out of you guys. I find it so very interesting that this is such a touchy subject.....am I hitting too close to home? No, I'm not a big-shot, but I am absolutely, positively 100% right, and you know it. That's why you're angry. I also find it exremely interesting that you think I have a high opinion of myself. I am merely shining a light into the netherworld of the Cloquet mentality, and the cockroaches are scattering. As I have said in the past, I stand behind everything I have ever written here, or anywhere else. If you disagree with me, then offer up some kind of counter-argument as to why I'm wrong. There are several advantages a small town has over a big city, so why not cite them rationally and state your case? I have many friends who are emotional basket cases still stuck in Cloquet who can't bring themselves to leave, even when they know a better life is elsewhere. Several of them are closeted homosexuals who can't deal with it, or who are terrified of what their families might think, or some other such nonsense. What's their refuge? Alcohol, drugs, and depression. How about those with brains and talent? What opportunities do they have? Zero, I'm afraid. Nope, folks, say what you want about me, because even though you think you hate the messenger, what you really hate is the message. And that, friends, confirms its truth. - Larry Flyntstone

Larry, this is your kindergarten teacher Mrs. Smith. I used to have to constantly tell you to get your finger out of your nose. Now must I tell you to pull your head out of your butt. Tell the nice people how you used to pick on all the smaller kids on the playground until a little girl cleaned your clock. 

re: 09-05-1999, 10:15:12 P.S. Your dribble just supports what Larry has said.

re: 09-05-1999, 10:15:12 Seems that you also post the same crap after every post that Larry submits. Just shows what little imagination and talent for the written word you have. It only takes a sixth grade education to respond to someones opinions you don't agree with by name calling. Get a life.

Back where I come from, this Larry fella would go by the name of...."The Dearly Departed".....YEE!! HAA!!

Yeah, Larry!!! Thank goodness you left, your being narrow-minded about us. I've left a couple of times and came back. Why?? Because I CHOSE not to live in a bigger town with bigger problems and bigger crime, etc. etc. etc. I DO and CAN experience the real world from where I choose to roost. We are not all drunks and gossip mongers, must be you know so much about that stuff because "birds of a feather". I chose to thrive on personal growth and don't need some big daddy that left this town to tell everyone to run from here. This has nothing to do with denial, I surely have seen it all, but just because my home base is in Cloquet I am not someone who doesn't know the "ways of the world". So quit coming across as Mr. know-it-all and catagorizing others who aren't as "smart" as you are. My values I teach my kids come from within, not from repression, thus my family is free to be themselves no matter where we live.

You mustn't call people names. It seems that Larry, or what ever his name is, is an angry childish person. I too have listened to his speeches about how great he is and how terrible Cloguet is. What I can't put my finger on is why is so much energy and time being funneled into such idiotic mumbo jumbo. Does anybody else have a suspicion that our friend Larry is not who he wants us to beleive he is. Profanity is never acceptable and name calling is unproductive. Larry, you really are not coming across like the wizard you think you are. The impression I am getting of you is an uneducated loser whose only success is imaginary..Alyson Wunderland

You know Larry, I have listened to you splatter the same shit over and over and over. You have to be the biggest Prick of all time!!!

Well, where do you think they got the water for the lake at Pinehurst Park? From a pond shop, of course!......I have company visiting from Cloquet right now, and I am still amazed at the gossipy, Peyton Place-y mind-set that permeates the town. You people get so shook up about things that I don't even bat an eye over - stuff like who said what about whom, or who is a suspected homosexual, or the Indians and their casino, or the strip joint in Scanlon, or the porno at the old Tulip Shop. Geez, kids, it's just life. One of my pals from Cloquet informed me you have the highest incidence of alcoholism per capita in the state. If you recall a few of my old posts, you'll remember the booze comments I made. Boy, it sure gets boring, being right all the time! I still contend there are all kinds of closets loaded with oodles of skeletons in your squeaky-clean little berg. Of course, the repressed atmosphere just about guarantees that. No one is free to be themselves, or pursue a fulflling life or career. I have done many stupid things, but getting out of Cloquet was, without question, the smartest thing I've ever done. To any young folks out there: leave as soon as you graduate from high school, lest you wind up a permanent fixture at the River Inn. Get out so you can experience the real world, meet some people with different backgrounds and perspectives, and be in an environment conducive to personal growth. You will not understand me while you're still living there, but you sure will once you get out. You'll probably want to thank me, too. - Larry Flyntstone

Larry M. would bonk me on the head and say"That means I like you skinny." He was a great buddy. Kinda reminded me of Cannon the detective....Parades will never be the same.

Love that karate chop. 

Re:09-04-1999, 23:33:36 "pond shops"?...Take it from a pawn broker...you don`t know what you`re talkin` about....Cart.

I have not lived in Cloquet for many years but do get a chance to comeback once in a while. The posts about the Tulip Shop, Larry Mitchell,Ray P., the poem about the teachers, it all brought back things I haven't thought about in 25 years.Thanks for the Humor and the reality check! I really did enjoy Larry Mitchell except when he would sneak up behind me in Bodie's and give me a karate chop. I used to pick him up and give him a lift downtown once in a while. When I go back to Cloquet now I see a small town that has changed so much since I was a kid.I remember the businesses on Cloquet Ave. and how alive the town seemed. Now when I go back it is sad to see what has become of the downtown area and how run down the rest of the town appears. I still live in a small town in Mn. but there seems to be more pride in how it looks and what it needs to do to attract more business. As for as the people go, yes I know that the same people are still hanging on at the bars and that heavy drinking is still the thing to do. It is kind of sad because as someone seeing what goes on in other small towns in Minnnesota drinking is not the primary focus of the town and its people. The casino deal is just a shame. When I here of people I knew when I was growing up who had good jobs at the papermill and who retired with a home that was paid for and a decent pension to live on and know they have mortgaged their homes, sold most of their belongings, and are thinking they are going to get it all back after they hit it big at the casino really disturbs me. How many pond shops are there in Cloquet now? I miss the Cloquet I knew as a kid.

Speaking of needing the Charmin at hand, back in the I've experienced the fallout from the $2.32/12-pack Hamms special from Redneck Dino's. That and Mad Dog 20/20

HELL-OOOO CLOQUET..... I am not from Cloquet, but work here. Some very, very very, rude people in this area.

10-4 big Mama!

RE: 09/04/1999**21:31:39** Are you going to be alright alone tonight???? I hope the nurses give you the meds you need. 

Grain Belt was a premium beer in the 60s and early 70s but you still had to have the Charmin close at hand......YEE! HAA!!Plop.Plop Fizz Fizz Oh what a relief it...."KA-POW"...is!!!

Kathy Luke - Rad tech. Since '60 Please contact Patsy Somerville Munro. It has been just forever. flyer58@azstarnet.com

Use a little soap from the box and get the laundry done.

Grain Belt!!! I believe that 1962 was quite a vintage. Do they still make the stuff? I actually did prefer North Star, or Red, White, and Blue.

I would like to accept the invitation also...Mia Buttreeks

RE:..10:30:55..Why thanks pardner, that's down right neighborly of ya. I'll be right over, but first I think I better russle up a couple rolls of Charmin.....plop.plop.thththththth.ssssssss...YEE!! HAA!!

Haven`t been hearing from a couple of ya....where are ya?

While cleaning out the basement of my deceased neighbor, I stumbled upon an unopened six pack of Grain Belt beer dating back to 1962. Anybody want to come over for a cold one.....ARRRF.

Not tho mention the multiple lightnening strikes I experienced. While reading them.

re: 09-04-1999, 01:06:34 as far as being traumatized goes, I believe that there was a couple of people out there that were so traumatized from reading some of that stuff that they are still catatonic in front of their monitors.

re: 09-04-1999, 01:06:34 I think the posts between 8/12/99 - 8/31/99 have vanished into thin air. I believe that the PK has clipped the guestbook in an effort to keep the page size down. I know that toward the end of last month, the page took one heck of a long time to load. However I doubt that they will be archived like the first set of posts. The reason is that along with some of the excellent, and funny posts there were a few that were in bad taste. So it seems that in the name of journalism and political correctness the PK just may be taking a position (as it were) and are censoring that block of posts. I seems that there are some distractors out ther that don't believe that as adults we have the ability to decide for ourselves what is good and what is not. They seem to be given some divine insturction that they have been givin the responsibility to make that decision for us.

A snort or two never hurt anybody and may be benificial. Moderation is the word for the day. Chowing down with Ronald MC Donald every day will take you out quicker than a bottle of Mogen David ever could. Remember, "MODERATION"....Sinus Rhythm

What happened to the archives for the missing dates.Was this material traumatic? Or is our host to cheap to provide the bandwidth?

Yes,death is a bummer.When the final bell rings you take your seat.Everyone does.I don`t think anyone will ever completely cheat it,and there`s plenty of reasons to want to.As it stands,we`ve all gotta go.Is there an afterlife?Prove it.Therefor I`ll enjoy this life to the best of my ability,and I`ll fight to that certain death the right to enjoy a cocktail and a smoke after dinner.Perhaps a hand rolled cuban cigar is a little slice of heaven.With all the taxes people have paid on their vices,those lengthy hospital stays have been paid.Please choose the right to choose.Todays show was brought to you by the letter "G" and the number "2".......Cartman

Hi Mr. YEE HAA!

I do not want to hear such stuff because I have taught my children that it doesn't exist. Sound familiar?? YEE!! HAA!!

Mr. SWAT. Thank you for your highly intelligent and enlightening words.

The death stuff is right. My friend died the most horrible death imaginable. people don't see the actual process, so it doesn't have the impact of seeing the life drain out of a body. I never want to see that again. Jen

RE; 15:47:22...Thank You....The final gasp that your loved one takes will shake you to your foundation!!!! Don't kid about such a serious topic....Grim Reaper

SWAT. 

re: 09-03-1999, 07:43:57 I have to agree with the Grim Reaper on this one. I have worked in the healthcare industry for 15 years now and have seen the Grim Reaper come more times than I can count. The fact is that most lay people don't have to face death very often in thier lives, and therefore don't see all sides of it. Certainly every one has lost a loved one, but what I am talking about here is actually witnessing the act of death. For most it is some kind of sterile event that takes place "somewhere else". For the people who abuse substances know full well that their behavior will ultimately result in an untimely demise, however they don't care. The fact is that everyone has to die sometime. What some don't realize that death is not the quick event that most fantasize about. There are several routes to the hereafter that have varying degrees of suffering. Having witnessed it for myself several times, I am not as afraid of death as I am of suffering. A slow death from cancer, or liver failure is not a pretty site. In fact for those who suffer this malady, many actually beg for the grim reaper.

FIELD

Lawler!!! Don't forget Lawler!!!

ESKO!!

Larry,I`m not so sure I follow you on that one.Is that in reference to lead `em to water but can`t make `em drink?Am I in left feild?....Cartman 

I took her to the border, but she wouldn't come across. - Larry Flyntstone

The process that accompanies dying is so gruesome for people who realize that their choices have put them is the situation they are facing. All the jokes about excessive smoking and drinking they laughed about for years, are not funny anymore. Now, instead of praying for life, most pray for a quick and merciful death....The Grim Reaper

Few people realize that 70% of all health problems and crime in this country is directly related to alcohol. Now, when you tabulate the enormous costs involved with just these two institutions, you may get a picture of the enormity of the problem. Mr. Alcohol isn't the funny little friend most people think he is. Another killer disguised as a cute little friend is tobacco. This monster will rear his ugly head in almost 75% of medical related disasters health care workers see. Once you have seen first hand the absolute hell some people have to endure to die, you appreciate the danger that follows these products. What is so tragic about those situation is that the body does not die easy and will painfully struggle to the end. It is the [Mother Of All Battles].

Yada yada yada...the evil rum killed my friend.A car killed my cousin.That`s right,let`s outlaw eveything that is not Tupperware.Cartman.

IT takes ONE TO KNOW ONE!!!!! And guess what??? Your IT...

I always say, if you can still talk about how drunk you are, your're not drunk enough.

Yup, it's alcoholism. How many of you DON'T know someone in your family or circle of friends that are drunks? Have you ever seen someone drink themselves to DEATH!!!!! Not a fun thing. 

KEY words here: Every NOW & THEN...

re:09-02-1999, 20:04:03 What the heck is wrong with having a drink every now and then? Are you some kind of bible thumping holy roller? -- Adolph Oliver Nippels

Yes, because they are no longer in BUSINESS...

What are you talking about. The people I hang out with at Al's Place are fine upstanding pillars of the community.

Not to mention the number of broken families due to alcholism.

When it comes to social problems why don't we discuss a real prevelant one...booze. Sure addicted gamblers pose a cost to society, but that cost is relatively small because of the small number of outlets for the gambler. Let me point out that booze and alcoholism has the highest costs to society of all vices that a person can get into. More so than pot, coke, heroin, or even cigaretts. The reason for the high costs to society that alcohlism poses are a direct result of two factors, 1. availability 2. dependency. Face it, booze used on a regular basis is a physically and psychologicaly addictive drug. I read in the paper that Minnesota has really gone after the cigarette companies to recover health related costs, and have made out Philip Morris to be the devil incarnate. But lets get real here. I don't think that there is anyone out there that has beat his wife because he was on nicotine. But drunk yes. Drunkeness is responsible for more sociopathic behavior than all other drugs combined. Let's see here, we have drunk driving, domestic abuse, not to mention the health related costs related to problem drinking. How many injuries are caused by drunkeness. Who do you think pays for it. The tax payer does. I used to work in the trauma system and one thing I noticed over time was that the majority of trauma cases involved drinking and stupidity. Come on Cloquet, lets get rid of all the bars in liquor stores and have a town that we can all be proud of. Next lets shut down the damn casino's and get rid of the lottery. Let's have mandatory church attendance. 

I'll NEVER spend a dime at ANY casino EVER !!!

You're part of the problem then---not giving a rat's A**---everyone needs to be concerned about ALL social problems, they effect everybody in one way, shape, or form. 

Just want to thank you all for my new car!! Keep spending your hard earned money..

Who gives a rat's A__.... 

RE/ 18:08:24...Think about the cost that bankruptcy, government treatment, crime and everything else affiliated with gambling is costing society, which means you, smart ass!!!

I think it is a good thing when the unemployed become employed, no matter what color the skin. And I don't care what color the skin of the person who writes the check.... it all translates to green, which helps buy the taters!!!

Jack pot of the jungle, I'm too dense to figure out what government agency gives $$$ to problem gamblers. I must be missing the check-in desk that has every person who passes through the doors of a casino leave their full lifes' bio, bank statement, resume', and shoe size. Where can I get one of these booklets with all the busy body gossip?

Oprah, I don't understand the "scapegoat" thing. Please explain.

I was responding to the post 9-1-99 @ 22:20:29. Not the expanded version below. In a lame way I was trying to point out how people asume how they THINK it is, is not always how it is. So far I just belly ache because I have no first hand knowledge of the person sitting next to me at the casino is abusing their children. Do I think there are problems related to the casinos? Yes, but there are problems related to just about everything if you put the right twist on it. 

Are you living in a dream world??!! Of course there are people abusing gambling and neglecting their families, that's no blanket statement supported by zero fact. Don't be so blase' about it. There's a difference between supporting the casino when you are financially able to, and to use it as a scapegoat. I DO do something to help when there are bad situations. Do you?? Or do you just belly ache when you read something you don't agree with? I don't support gambling period, nor do I support drugs and alcohol. We've ALL had people in our families who are hurt by these things. Zero fact----get with the program.

If you are worried about their children getting food to eat, then report them to the proper authorities. Are you talking about someone you know? Then do something about it. Get the kids some help. I suspect that was a blanket statement, (once again) suported by zero fact. If people want to support the casinos that's their business. Must be doing some good if it puts roofs over peoples heads, builds schools, and clinics. 

peace

You aw vely vely wise pewson... Wong Hung Lo

People will make their beds the way they see fit no matter what the consequences are so if they are comfortable sleeping that way, then so be it. I enjoy a few romps at the casino and can honestly say it hasn't impacted my life to any degree. The people who are in trouble because of gambling know they are in trouble and should take some responsibility. Our governments socialism has bred a segment of society that will not take responsibility for anything. Gambling is a disease so it isn't my fault and I can't do anything about it. I'll let some government agency staighten my life and financial catastrophy out. Tired of the rhetoric. I won $178.00 on dollar poker; it took $200.00 to win, not bad.... Jack Pot of the Jungle

So who`s to say that responsible people can`t go to the casinos? Who`s to say that irresponsible people can`t go either?Kudos to the NAs.Make a buck.Perhaps we should leave it to the individual to choose.The lure of easy money is nothing new.The next time I`m at the dog track I`ll be thinking the NAs should have a track too!...Cartman

P.S, Hello Larry, hello Cartman, Hello Mr. Grownup .... Hey where's Mr Allcaps?

Sheesh, it sounds like a bar room brawl here. It looks like the PK clipped the guestbook, and you guys are back at it again. Like Larry I havn't posted here for a few days so I can't be blamed for being a ring leader here either. Looks like 08-31-1999, 20:34:44 set the tone for the rest of the posts here. I take pride in having one of the biggest mouths here. Those who don't like what I write are free to not read it. I have decided that I those who flame me with no substance will not get the satisfaction of getting a response as I am tired about it. If anyone out there wants to have a debate, I'm all for it, but if all you want to do is call me names and talk about how much you hate my comments then so be it. If they bug you that much I hope you are truely miserable because I am here to stay unless they shut down this forum. That being said... about the casino, the casino is successful because of one thing only.. greed. People are into making a quick buck. The truth is that most people will never walk out of the Black Bear with more money than they walked in with. The reason being is that they have the tightest machines, much more than any machine in Vegas. The Indian casino business is largely unregulated unlike the gaming industry in Nevada. Think about it do you know anyone personally that actually is ahead of the house out at the Black Bear. I think not. Another reason I think the casino is such a sore spot with people is from a racist point of view. I don't think it would bug people nearly as much if the people running the casino were white. Just the fact that they are NA's really ticks some people off. Probably because the NA's are now getting rich off the stupidity and the weakness of the EWM. I also think there is an element of jealousy there too. I don't think that the EWM can handle seeing an NA doing better than himself. For some reason that shoudn't happen. So for all of those who hate me, I am back and back to stay...... The Chef

I care when people go to the casino, especially when people are spending money out there instead of feeding their children.

You KIDS having fun in school?... Hope you have lots of homework.

So what ever happend to the bad boy's in Cloquet? My guess would be nothing. 

The empty pews on Sunday reflect the empty heads on Wednesday. YEE! HAA! 

Get off the whiskey, you sound as if you are *SNOCKERD*.

Who the freak cares if people go to the casinos? Are you in their minds?---Who knows why they are there. It's their right. If that's what they do for entertainment, so be it. Instead of getting down on what others do... take a good look at yourself. Freakin busy bodies! I'm not perfect and either are you. There are things that I don't like about others and there are things that others don't get off about me either. That's life. Until you've walked a mile in my moccasins, you don't know my life. So quit marching down the path like you created the freakin sun, moon, stars, trees, rivers and oceans!!! 

No doubt about it, people are being ruined out at that hell hole. 

RE; 10:01:09...Listen Pinocchio, I think you better go back to Geppetto and have him carve you a knew head. This time tell him to use a softer wood. YEE! HAA!

My goodness! I haven't posted anything in several days, yet you are at each others' throats. I guess that means I'm not the instigator you thought I was. - Larry Flyntstone

RE: the casino, I think it's funnier than heck. The only reason it exixts is because of sick stupid people who think that their fortune awaits them via a few lucky pulls. In the meantime the money that should be there to feed the kids, used for retirement, is going down the drain. My gosh, I've heard there are older people out there in wheelchairs, on oxygen, spending money. Maybe they need the entertainment but get a grip, there are better ways to be entertained. Gambling is a real problem that needs to be addressed, but in the meantime the NA's know what they're doing!! Maybe it's a way to "get back" at "us", they've got us over a barrel as long as people are willing to go out there. Just like drinking, nobody is forcing a person to gamble. As far as I'm concerned good enough for the dummies to blow it. It actually is embarrassing to have the casino the biggest attraction around.

Well, maybe the garbage ISN'T that welcome, the dorks don't need to ruin it for the rest of us.

20:34:44 Ditto!!! 00:18:59 He/she IS contributing something, just cuz you don't like it--tough! The so called negative comments are just as welcome as the garbage.

RIP OFF!!!!!

I really want to know what folks think about the casino.

pssssst...your small town way of thinking is showing.Cartman

Ya, some people just don't get it. Do as I say, not as I do. SHEESHH

RE; 08/31/1999..20:34:44 The book was cleaned out and it was the begining of a new chapter and then you had to open your big yap with something negative. Now all you are going to get are negative reactions. What a dork!!

Why don't you?

re :08-31-1999, 20:34:44 Why don't you contribute something to this board instead of criticizing what everybody else writes?

Amen to that.

BITE ME!!!

Well I hope you BIG MOUTHS learned something.. If you abuse this again I'm sure it will be taken away altogether.. So clean up your act so the rest of us can enjoy this site..

HELP!!! What happenend??? This is the only link I have to the "other" world. Hopefully you weren't all terminated by the muckity-mucks and they now have complete control! 

I think it's a conspiracy by some CCC members. They are mad because they've been outed.

I think it's been snipped. I hope they archive it.

What happened, has the guestbook been taken offline?